Showing posts with label Willsher. Show all posts
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26 April 2022

Frederick Charles Newman, come out, come out wherever you are!

Frederick Charles Newman, come out, come out wherever you are! Seems he disappeared after 1891, or at least I can't find him after that point....

So I am looking for descendants of:
George Newman (b 1822 Chelmsford, Essex, England d 1868 Chelmsford, Essex, England He was a Printer/Composter) and
Mary Ann Bridge (b 1834 Essex, Southminister, England d 1911Chelmsford, Essex, England).

To my knowledge Mary Ann Bridge and George Newman had 5 children all born in Chelmsford, the youngest was born after George’s death.
They were:
George Henry b 1860 (1859 D Quarter)
Louisa Jane b 1862 (1861 S Quarter)
John William b 1864 (1863 S Quarter)
Frederick Charles (my great grandfather) b 02 November 1865 he married Mary Ann Simmons. Interesting story with these two, see below...
Alice Mary Newman b 1868 (1865 D Quarter)

After George’s death she married Francis (aka Frank) Willsher b White Colne, Essex, England.

1911 census says Mary Ann and Frank had 3 children, with 2 still living:
Mary Ann Willsher b1874
Florence Edith Willsher b 1876 (1876 J Quarter, Chelmsford)
Maud Minnie Willsher b 1879 (1878 S Quarter, Chelmsford)

On the 1891 census I have Frederick Charles (he was a billiard marker) and Mary Ann (Molly Ann) living in London, with their 2 sons (Frederick John and Eric Alexander)

In 1901 Mary Ann is living with her sister and brother in law, with another sister and brother in law in the next household. Frederick John is living with his maternal grandparents in St Albans, but I can't trace Frederick Charles or Eric in 1901. Although I do find an Eric Newman with correct birthdate registered at St John The Evangelist School father's name is listed as Frederick in July 1896...

In 1903 Mary Ann gets on a boat and comes to Philadelphia where she is met by her groom, license in hand. Problem is she has told him she is 10 yrs younger than she really is, and that she has never been married! (I have passenger list and marriage affidavit/license) When Frederick John came over a couple years later the passenger list says he was going to his "Aunt" and uncle. (Later in life she did finally admit that she was Fred and Eric's mother after making them call her Aunt Mabel for years). Side note: 2 of her sisters also immigrated to USA with their families.

Eric somehow was sent to Canada for reasons unknown to him. and eventually came down to Pennsylvania/New Jersey where his mom and brother were living.

I don't know what happened to Frederick Charles.

The story I heard growing up was that he gambled away their house and that is what broke up the family. A few years ago my oldest cousin on this line said he had heard that Frederick Charles had been hung for stealing a horse. I would like to find documentation as to what happened to Frederick Charles, part of the problem is Frederick Newman is a fairly common name, so finding the correct records for my great grandfather has been a challenge. Also, how and why Eric ended up in Canada before coming to America. I am thinking maybe tracing Frederick's family down might help me find out more about him.

I have tested with Ancestry as has my great uncle Eric's grandson Carl. Hoping that will help us find some answers.

22 March 2013

Received Certificates from England!

I have done a quick transcribing of the certificates I just received today from England. Some of the writting is more difficult to read so will wait to try and decipher it when it is daylight and I don't have a slight headache.

Of the 10 certificates I received, two of them were for the wrong people. So, back to trying to find a death record for Emma (Halsey) Simmons and a birth record for George Simmons. Otherwise I have verification on several assumptions, a couple of new bits of info, and now more questions to answer. For example George Newman and Mary Bridge's marriage certificate say he was a widower. So, who was his first wife? when did she die? did they have any children together?

But onto what I have transcribed-

Death certificates

year 1922 quarter J vol 03a pg 745 district Bishop Stortford - Emma Simmons widow of James Simmons a farm laborer daughter Martha Childs (wrong Emma Simmons based on the fact that my Emma's husband was named George and they did not have a daughter named Martha and none of their daughters married a Mr Childs)

year 1911 quarter D vol 04a pg 621 District Chelmsford - 23 December 1911 Mary Bridge Willsher female age 77 wife of Frank Willsher master accountant Cardiac Disease Syncope informant Frank Willsher 118 New London Road Chelmsford

year 1868 quarter S vol 04a pg 123 district Chelmsford - 13 July 1868 George Nemwan male 46 yrs Compositor informant S Saltwell of Epson Surrey present at death

year 1918 quarter D vol 03a pg 1209 district Edmonton - 11 October 1918 George Simmons male 77 yrs formerly a cab proprietor cause ? Sclerosis; Informant Arthur Grace grandson of 38 Sidney Rd Bowes Park

Marriage Certificates

year 1858 quarter S vol 04a pg 165 District Chelmsford - George Newman/Mary Bridge July 10 1958 George Widower Printer, residence Chelmsford father William Newman China Dealer; Mary Bridge Spinster residence Southminister father John Bridge butcher; both of full age; solemnized at Parish Church in the Parish of Chelmsford witnesses Walter Saltwell (sp?) and Mary Newman

year 1879 quarter D vol 01d pg 1247 District Camberwell - Francis Willsher/Mary Newman 16 October 1879 Francis age 25 Bachelor miller residence 13 Daniel Rd ? Father William Willsher Miller; Mary Ann Newman 43 widow residence 13 Daniel Rd ? Father John Bridge (deceased) Butcher solemnized at The Parish Church in the Parish of ? In the county of Surrey witnesses Henry Neville and Lilly Neville

year 1861 quarter M vol 01a pg 585 district Marylebone - George Simmons/Emma Halsey 6 February 1861 George Simmons full age bachelor groom residence 24 ? Street father George Simmons Coachman Emma Halsey full age spinster residence 24 ? Street father James Halsey Lawyer solemnized St Mary’s Church Parish of St Marylebone county of Middlesex witnesses George ? and Harriet Halsey

Birth Certificates

year 1841 quarter J vol 6 pg 227 registration district Reading 11 ofJune 1841 name George sex boy father Henry Simmons mother Mary Simmons formerly Hester father occupation milk man informang Henry Simmons father (based on the information on George Simmons and Emma Halsey's marriage certificate this is not my George Simmon's birth certificate)

year 1865 quarter D vol 04a pg 152 district Chelmsford - 2 November 1865 Charles Frederick boy father George Newman mother Ann Newman formerly Bridge Compositor informant Geo Newman father of Chelmsford

year 1868 quarter D vol 03a pg 342 district St Albans - 18 September 1868 Mary Ann girl father George Simmons mother Emma Simmons formerly Halsey father occupation cab driver informant Emma Simmons mother Fishpool Street St Michael’s St Albans